Thursday, July 30, 2009

meeting eval, Webtools free demo Gmail video meeting this morning at 9 am, and evening 9pm

Good morning,

very good point from Chris - he DIDN'T get to discuss http://NYCCAN.org, where things are happening righht now.
Once again, We are choking on our own exhaust.


To Mark, cc to Chris,
can you phrase it this way :
"Ken,
I heard you would like to consider accepting an apology from me.

Without delving into it too much, I am extending an apology to you, if that is what you think is due. Mark"


Meeting eval.
  • Meeting went well, issues were discussed.
  • It was practically acclaimed by defacto vote that Rodney will be moderating meeetings at this time on.
    Sounds good, I understand Rodney will be delegating issues around a table in a good measure.
  • Ken presented his view and take on Feinstein meeting lines
    I think we wanted to stick to facts, to plain 9/11 facts. Yourself, you gave a compelling speech on the case, but it was more like an political argument ...
    And a note, I think 9/11 and Iraq war issues involve also military industry, not only cars and energy/oil, and also Israel's interests in the region, not only oil issue reasons.
  • Issue of discord came up, when it was agreed to address Mark with some basic remarks to accept, with some changes to Legislative meeting decisions making.
    If Mark agrees to lets have a group say in this. then the matter is closed for me.


    Webtools
    Reccomendations - use
    --Windows Live Writer for your blogs and notes writing, one of best online/offline blogs editor application
    --Mark you calendars, Sept 30 - private invitations to Google Wave - a REVOLUTION in internet communication they call it.
    It is suppossed to even blow away emails, to completely change how people interavt on the net.
-- for videoconferencing trials, lets select http://dimdim.com/ and http://vyew.com/ for now.
Please, sign up. Let the group know by communicating the progress. It all test now.

Petr
cc to http://911davisweb.blogspot.com/. , webtools and agenda docs blog. Once everybody signs up, Il make blog and social conversation private.
cc to ff and gg

Thursday, July 23, 2009

The Webtools Demo - Jack was reviewing several social sites - Google Groups, Friendfeed, and Nexo. Signed up for Gmail.

Hello Jack,
very glad that we were able to do this! It'l help us in workings on our 9/11 group matters ....

I would suggest you bring your Omsoft account to Google Gmail, and see if you'l like it using it like that ..

Now to convince Rodney, Ken, others .... maybe you might give them some pointers, demo, similar to what we have had now, this morning. ....
Tell them to sign up, at least to Gmail .....

have a good day
Petr


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ps
so what is ahead would be - sign up to ff and nexo, 

cc to Chris, Mark, Howard - the active Webtools project members

Group,
to show a test project communication effort, please, once singed up to sites, join the project group, and leave a comment ......
later - join, subscribe to our project blogger and wordpress blogs ...... and leave a comment


I hope soon to hook up for chat - Gmail, multi video call , conference, and collaboration ...

Lets see to it that we get there ! :]
Petr
bcc to project sites and blogs - http://groups.google.com/group/davis-911-truthhttp://911DavisWeb.blogspot.com , http://friendfeed.com/911DavisWeb  ...... nexo emailing doesnt work, worpress is problematic - it has to be in a to: message, so i not copying wordpress anymore

Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Prof Griffin, meeting eval, L report, website, webtools project meeting

yes .... I was just joking :] ................

thinking about Bush-Cheney term, yes also, I agree now ..
it is good to keep it around ...

so, the reference then I'm for the best is "Bush-Cheney conspiracy" ...
thanks
Petr
ps
Meeting actually was good in most parts, until it blew up in the last minutes. Speakers watched their time on, and Rodney was pacing managing it enough to keep it rolling, with rhythm.

Chris,
group appreciates you made it to a part of meeting.

Unfortunately, you missed the best part, the good presentations of Mark and David covering the Leg meeting.

Also, the group is technologically retarded-like enough not to have audio or video link, so you have heard the coverage ..

oh well, I do not seem to be able with the project Webtools to move members to embrace technology.

People are calling for sites down - i think we should call for sites up, on the other hand.
I agree good will be, since it is draft group official material repository /.net site/, that Mark place the word "draft" there ..

Positively, Mark did a lot of work on it for the movement and for the group with it. I appreciate it, do not want and will not review or correct it.
I agree with Hank and Jim we need to stress positive and be supportive. How can we try to "organize California", if we are getting constantly lost on quasi-personal issues?


I trust Mark handsomely with facts on the web.
Some more looks, widgets, completion, details of site, yes, there is always what to improve.

Anybody, put up a page, site present it to a group, lets see if it can be a group official site.

Im calling for everybody to get you blog, site up - first to test it, evaluate it, .. so it can be just a mockup site.

Im calling on you use the technology, the web. Today its the quick thing, minutes, hours, can we, or do we have time to review a lot,all of pages ??

Tomorrow,
Il be on a second floor Shields library, ready to answer your question, go through registrations, signups.
8:45. am

It'd be fantastic if David could write a page, a blog, couple paragraphs about the history of 9/11 movement and its presence on the web. Who else if not him?

It'd be great if Ken could wrote, or record digitally, his accomplishments, his work, his experiences. Or, try to to put already existing texts online .....


I cannot speak to Ken / Mark controversy, brought up with resolution by Howard. I am not part of it.

Il send a short email dealing with real issues, questions Mark and David raised.

Petr
bcc to gg and bl



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--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Petr Buben <
As I am for inclusiveness, cooperation and results, I think Mark's letter, specifically #1, is good, and good enough to be sent.
I do not see it as a particular issue to talk about. Lets look and move forward.

Further, if Howard feels strongly, has a firm opinion about the feedback, his whole input should be included in the letter also.

The real issue is - who is driving towards the next L meeting? That needs to be addressed.
And real issues need to be worked on, not idling with empty spinning wheels on procedures.


A couple of thoughts on your interesting text, Howard.
The term "Bush-Cheney theory" .. I have never heard it before. I'm not sure if it is the most exact or efficient term. ...

How about "public perception of events", or "publicly accepted version of events" ...... "is patently wrong, by now per irrefutable scientific evidence".

  • The official scientific technical explanation of events was irrefutably disproved, April 09, Harrit, Jones, Ryan, and was never credibly and factually explained or documented again.
    In the case of building WTC-7, sudden implosive collapse, official explanation is and always was nonexistent, just as public perception that fire inside the building caused the collapse event.
  • Since April of 2009, there exists the definitive, conclusive scientific evidence, that "public perception of events" and "official explanation" are both completely and factually false and wrong.

Accepted public perception being "A group of Saudi religious terrorists flew 2 hijacked airliners into WTC-1 WTC-2, causing their sudden implosion and pulverazition, flew an airliner into Pentagon, causing damage to the building, and finally another hijacked airliner crashed in Pennsylvania.

A private note
NOTHING, nothing from above, nothing that is being currently "publicly officially perceived" or "publicly officially accepted", or "officially explained", is true...... Nothing.

It is that known 9/11 domino effect notion - that if one single piece of chain of events is proven false, the whole, complete event explanation collapses, and EVERYTHING becomes false, prepared operation. And that is what it really is.

This is the logical conclusion.


Petr
bcc to http://91investigate.blogspot.com, ... need to edit parts out?
Unless all the highest relevant officials of the time are conclusively questioned under the polygraph lie detector, we will NEVER know what really happened.

Tuesday, July 21, 2009

Davis 9/11 Truth Meets with Director of Sen Feinstein Office, San Francisco

Today, representatives of Davis 9/11 Truth Mark Graham, Sacramento 9/11 Truth, David Kimball, and Dr Richard Gage and Gregg Roberts, one of authors of Nanothermite Report, both of http://AE911Truth.org fame, met in San Francisco with a representative of Sen Diane Feinstein office Jim Molinari.

The subject - 9/11 Truth, the investigation.

The parties exchanged views and information on the issue, appreciated each other approach.
The 9/11 Truth group handed over a copy of Harrit, Jones et al Nanothermite Report, among others.

The parties agreed to disagree, and to possibly meet on a later date again.
Petr Buben

San Francisco Sen Feinstein Office 9/11 Truth Davis meeting

Today, 7-21- 2009, representatives of Davis 9/11 Truth Mark Graham, Sacramento 9/11 Truth, David Kimball, and Dr Richard Gage and his team, of http://AE911Truth.org fame, will meet in San Francisco with a representative of Sen Diane Feinstein office Jim Molinari. The subject - 9/11, investigation. Details later.



On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:41 PM, rodney robinson wrote:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist) by H. Michael Sweeney
copyright (c) 1997, 2000 All rights reserved
(Revised April 2000)

Built upon Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression by David Martin, the following may be useful to the initiate in the world of dealing with veiled and half-truth, lies, and suppression of truth when serious crimes are studied in public forums. This, sadly, includes every day news media, one of the worst offenders with respect to being a source of disinformation. Where the crime involves a conspiracy, or a conspiracy to cover up the crime, there will invariably be a disinformation campaign launched against those seeking to uncover and expose the truth and/or the conspiracy. There are specific tactics which disinfo artists tend to apply, as revealed here. Also included with this material are seven common traits of the disinfo artist which may also prove useful in identifying players and motives.

The more a particular party fits the traits and is guilty of following the rules, the more likely they are a professional disinfo artist with a vested motive. People can be bought, threatened, or blackmailed into providing disinformation, so even "good guys" can be suspect in many cases.

A rational person participating as one interested in the truth will evaluate that chain of evidence and conclude either that the links are solid and conclusive, that one or more links are weak and need further development before conclusion can be arrived at, or that one or more links can be broken, usually invalidating (but not necessarily so, if parallel links already exist or can be found, or if a particular link was merely supportive, but not in itself key to) the argument. The game is played by raising issues which either strengthen or weaken (preferably to the point of breaking) these links. It is the job of a disinfo artist to interfere with these evaluations... to at least make people think the links are weak or broken when, in truth, they are not... or to propose alternative solutions leading away from the truth. Often, by simply impeding and slowing down the process through disinformation tactics, a level of victory is assured because apathy increases with time and rhetoric.

It would seem true in almost every instance, that if one cannot break the chain of evidence for a given solution, revelation of truth has won out. If the chain is broken either a new link must be forged, or a whole new chain developed, or the solution is invalid and a new one must be found... but truth still wins out. There is no shame in being the creator or supporter of a failed solution, chain, or link, if done with honesty in search of the truth. This is the rational approach. While it is understandable that a person can become emotionally involved with a particular side of a given issue, it is really unimportant who wins, as long as truth wins. But the disinfo artist will seek to emotionalize and chastise any failure (real or false claims thereof), and will seek by means of intimidation to prevent discussion in general.

It is the disinfo artist and those who may pull their strings (those who stand to suffer should the crime be solved) MUST seek to prevent rational and complete examination of any chain of evidence which would hang them. Since fact and truth seldom fall on their own, they must be overcome with lies and deceit. Those who are professional in the art of lies and deceit, such as the intelligence community and the professional criminal (often the same people or at least working together), tend to apply fairly well defined and observable tools in this process. However, the public at large is not well armed against such weapons, and is often easily led astray by these time-proven tactics. Remarkably, not even media and law enforcement have NOT BEEN TRAINED to deal with these issues. For the most part, only the players themselves understand the rules of the game.

For such disinformationalists, the overall aim is to avoid discussing links in the chain of evidence which cannot be broken by truth, but at all times, to use clever deceptions or lies to make select links seem weaker than they are, create the illusion of a break, or better still, cause any who are considering the chain to be distracted in any number of ways, including the method of questioning the credentials of the presenter. Please understand that fact is fact, regardless of the source. Likewise, truth is truth, regardless of the source. This is why criminals are allowed to testify against other criminals. Where a motive to lie may truly exist, only actual evidence that the testimony itself IS a lie renders it completely invalid. Were a known 'liar's' testimony to stand on its own without supporting fact, it might certainly be of questionable value, but if the testimony (argument) is based on verifiable or otherwise demonstrable facts, it matters not who does the presenting or what their motives are, or if they have lied in the past or even if motivated to lie in this instance -- the facts or links would and should stand or fall on their own merit and their part in the matter will merely be supportive.

Moreover, particularly with respects to public forums such as newspaper letters to the editor, and Internet chat and news groups, the disinfo type has a very important role. In these forums, the principle topics of discussion are generally attempts by individuals to cause other persons to become interested in their own particular position, idea, or solution -- very much in development at the time. People often use such mediums as a sounding board and in hopes of pollination to better form their ideas. Where such ideas are critical of government or powerful, vested groups (especially if their criminality is the topic), the disinfo artist has yet another role -- the role of nipping it in the bud. They also seek to stage the concept, the presenter, and any supporters as less than credible should any possible future confrontation in more public forums result due to their early successes. You can often spot the disinfo types at work here by the unique application of "higher standards" of discussion than necessarily warranted. They will demand that those presenting arguments or concepts back everything up with the same level of expertise as a professor, researcher, or investigative writer. Anything less renders any discussion meaningless and unworthy in their opinion, and anyone who disagrees is obviously stupid -- and they generally put it in exactly those terms.

So, as you read any such discussions, particularly so in Internet news groups (NG), decide for yourself when a rational argument is being applied and when disinformation, psyops (psychological warfare operations) or trickery is the tool. Accuse those guilty of the latter freely. They (both those deliberately seeking to lead you astray, and those who are simply foolish or misguided thinkers) generally run for cover when thus illuminated, or -- put in other terms, they put up or shut up (a perfectly acceptable outcome either way, since truth is the goal.) Here are the twenty-five methods and seven traits, some of which don't apply directly to NG application. Each contains a simple example in the form of actual (some paraphrased for simplicity) from NG comments on commonly known historical events, and a proper response.[examples & response- http://www.proparanoid.com/truth.html]

Accusations should not be overused -- reserve for repeat offenders and those who use multiple tactics. Responses should avoid falling into emotional traps or informational sidetracks, unless it is feared that some observers will be easily dissuaded by the trickery. Consider quoting the complete rule rather than simply citing it, as others will not have reference. Offer to provide a complete copy of the rule set upon request (see permissions statement at end):

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.
7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.
12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.
14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.
21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.
22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.
23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.
24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen. .

Note: There are other ways to attack truth, but these listed are the most common, and others are likely derivatives of these. In the end, you can usually spot the professional disinfo players by one or more of seven (now 8) distinct traits:

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

by H. Michael Sweeney <

copyright (c) 1997, 2000 All rights reserved

(Revised April 2000 - formerly SEVEN Traits)

1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentatorbecome argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

I close with the first paragraph of the introduction to my unpublished book, Fatal Rebirth:

Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world.


Google groups, lets keep signing up to groups, blogs. Mark's report I.

Good morning Mark,
great direction here!  Project group members might look up here and incorporate.

I thought you'd make points, like user names, signups, or simply checkoffs, also on that project Nexo site - http://DavisWeb.nexo.com ... that is where I was looking for it.

Good points you bring.
1. Nexo frames 
You can bring different other sites in Nexo webpage section, but sometimes there will be problem with sign in. Then one has to open a new window.
2. Better seen then talked about. 
Absolutely. That is why we demonstrate, and test. And communicate. People need to start commenting, discussing.
3. Select tools
Yes, lets choose some of the tools, lets start using them .... I mean, Richard is on Twitter too, etc ....

SIGN ONS
Now the next step is, join, or subscribe, to our members groups, blogs, feeds. Be it as test, be it for real. For example, I signed up to Cindy Sheehan's blog. 
I communicated that on our Nexo project site.
By signing up, and by blogging, spreading the word, we support the cause. We learn the tools, bevome more effective, visible.

So we connected, Chris, yourself, me also on Friendfeed, I hope.
We need to connect on our project /test/ ff group 911DavisWeb - than we can play with that, make it private, incorporate our ff discussion, real time chat, on different sites .. as you might envision, possibilities are wide, and we NEED to be AWARE of them ...................

I dream we progress well. I dream we will get to videocasting, and all members will start reporting via group videocasts.

So much for now.

Let's keep the progress up ! Mark is showing us here how !
Petr
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Now if somebody wants to, as an excercise, to bring a Google spreadsheet with our sites and members login names /Id's/ to Nexo project site, that be great.

Other really great rich web doc tools suite is http://zoho.com

I will now subscribe to this Group, to test now it'l flood my email ... Il stop copying stuff over here then. Yes or no, Chris?

Monday, July 20, 2009

Sac meeting, Richard Gage in Davis, project Webtools Demo, next plan

  • Richard Gage in Davis ... great news! .. we need professionals, personalities like him here in Davis.
He will bring new clear ideas and will project possible directions to go, will recap his successful, unique 9/11 touring the country, Seattle to Washington DC ! ... What a knight - patriot !
Once the 9/11 truth prevails, Richard will have a ball - nationwide ! ...
Good stuff! Formal beginning and ending statement, great, sensitive lead and support from David. Also a richness of supporting printed materials, documents. They talk not only 9/11, but manage to keep it in reasonable dimensions. Good discipline, attention.
We Davis might clearly take hint from discussion discipline, more resonance.
I might suggest,
1.you could dig up more input, good info .. example - lady organizer/member of an official third party ...she might present some formal info block at the next meeting.
2.a keep pointing to your website, call on members to work with it ...
2.b set up a http://meetup.com membership site.
  • Webtools Demo project, week 1, votes 1.
I will suppose members signed up to sites selected, or at least are ready, and also will communicate their progress on project site http://DavisWeb911.nexo.com
Please continue to signing up to groups and blogs, once you registered.
I have added other sites - aggregators. They are listed on the project nexo site.

Votes week 1.
Mark, pass without recommendation. failure to communicate ACTIVELY and exhaustively.
Chris, conditional pass - failure to communicate the progress, the sites joined,
Howard, Jack, conditional fail - failure to communicate status, visit project sites.
All else, Fail.

Petr,
WebTools Demo Project
next week,
1. we will make our project groups private, members only
2. we will gear up for video hookups testing, multi party chat, video sessions demo tests

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:52 PM, wrote:


Could you put this on the agenda for Wednesday?

Richard Gage offered to come back to Davis to do another presentation. He was last here in April, 2008. It could be scheduled for next January or February, he mentioned.

Thank you.


Fwd: should the group split? yes ..you bet ..... Second slam project phase

The Davis 911Truth should split yes, - to project sub groups, as the fun thus goes better ... and then confer together on meetings :]

Jack presents some good points on how to make Mark's pages even better.
To answer, I'd say I am both action and analyzer, but I'd say first doer, do not analyse without doing, and also do both, action and analysis, constantly ....

  • Project Webtools - Second phase
    1. We started with sign ups, registrations.
    I did not hear no issues. Progress, though is NOT being published.
    2. We will now slowly move into
    joining, subscribing to our new accounts groups

    Please publish your steps, ideas, progress at http://DavisWeb911.nexo.com
Communicate. At each site visited, leave comments. Leave Hi, or factual post. ..... Without leaving comments, it's as if you were not there ......

VOTE so far Phase 1
Chris - conditional pass - no communication
Mark - conditional pass - no communication
Howard, Jack, conditional fail ... No progress, no communication.

Everybody else - fail.
On a project third phase, I will opt out people who are not interested in the project.

I mean, do not come to me later for a next meeting group representing attendance endorsement, if you FAIL the project you signed on to.


Mr. Howard,
regarding your last email, would you care, in and for this project, to blog, to engage, to write about group rules, group decision making, formations, establishing ... Rodney, Mark also? ... Chris?
Thanks.

Petr

some 9/11 links

what i do is pages ... let me show you couple of those:




have a good evening,
Petr
ps
site http://wechoosethemoon.org is recreating Apollo moon landing, live! .. ought to be fun .... :]



On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:05 PM, David Kimball wrote:
Petr:

This flier has now been distributed for a number of years and I am satisfied with it as it is, thank you.

Why don't you create your own flier?

- David



Hello David,
the flyer you showed us, you give out to people. Great tool.

I think the 9/11 links are somewhat cluttered, date and mixed with other alernative links.
So they are less effective.

I think the 9/11 sites right now to have there is
Latest - http://ae911truth.org, http://wacla.org, http://stj911.org , .. + couple similar /?

I think that's it, all links pretty much lead from here ..
Separated bellow, you can have all other links .............. Do you agree? What do you think?

Do you want to maybe blog about this, little, once you sign up to sites with this Webtools project we are doing right now ?....

Petr
cc to gg, nexo, blogger, ff, wp



Sunday, July 19, 2009

Google chat, voice, other services, http://call.nexo.com

Hello Mark,
yes, I know what you mean : ] .. there is a real, nice world out there too :] .... well, chat helps to clear short passing remarks ...... Skype is doable, but it would be one more application to open ...

so to keep it simple, Google would be optimal
  • If you use Gtalk, http://www.google.com/talk/ it is good enough to have just Google account, I think, ... the downside is that if you are not at your pc, you can't access it
  • http://Gmail.com, and it's chat, multi chat, call, videocall /pc-pc free/ application, is, on the other hand, web based, meaning you can use it anywhere where pc and wi-fi is, without access to your pc
    you have to set up Gmail chat app in Gmail Labs, which is Gmail settings, in other words, ...

    it is not too trivial, and Gmail is not trivial email app either .. it takes getting used too ... some like it a lot .. its different from the others

Test them both, Gtalk and Gmail chat, see how you like, you can use both in conjunction too .... You will develop your best mode of working .. depending also on circumstances, like, are you often, always from your pc? - on public terminals, on vacations, travel a lot ? ... do you have a smart cellphone?


Google will do you good no matter what, as they just came out also with

I mean, you can't go wrong with

Let me know if you have some concerns about this.
Petr





On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Mark wrote:

Hi Petr,

You are right the group now contains some ladies so I should say Ladies and Gentlemen.

The link to the page right now is davis911truth.net, but eventually it will also be davis911truth.org and .com

I am not in the habit of using chat. Today I have already spent too much time on this 9/11 group and I have to get out of the house.

What I ought to do is set Skype or my yahoo chat program so that it comes on automatically so that you can write to me when I'm on line. I have a google account but no google email account. Can I still use google chat?

Have a great Sunday,

Mark



Mark, very quickly ..... you again have not included a link to your page :]
i think it many time does make a difference ..

itd also be very good if you were on google gmail chat, so that i, and others, might send you IM, these little ad hoc messages .....
also, we have some ladies in the group now ..:]


enjoy a nice day!
petr
http://friendfeed.com/petrnews

phone vs pc .. on pc, you can have group talk

Saturday, July 18, 2009

Mr Hank, Ken, group site

Mr Hank,
how are you doing? How about, during this group webtools project, would you be interested to write about a history of Davis 9/11, from the beginning, and also history of 9/11 national movement ... it could be couple sentences, paragraphs, or pages.
Or, would you care to speak it to be audio digitally recorded.

The same your letters, if you speak them clearly onto digital audio, program might be able to transcribe them into writing.
Thanks.


Mr. Ken
would you care, for your pages/blogs tools testing purposes, to react to questions recently appearing regarding news about supplying the world energy needs - wind, solarthermal. 

The striking info is at http://friendfeed.com/solarthermal ..... when i read it, i could not and cannot believe HOW EASY it is supposed to be to cover world needs. ...
Your books are very interesting, enjoy reading them.
Thanks.


Howard, that lawsuit, i'm not going to do anything, but them neither, those are "official" lawyers, they wanted to depose FBI, that's all. i do not think they are part of Truth at all.

Good evening everybody,
hope registrations, or at least complications with registrations, are going, and well ...
All, please communicate your progress.

cc to project sites, minus the following

ps.
Jack, groups site. 
Why be so hard on each other. Mark did that one, ok, its full of info, its good. if it will be a group site, lets see about that. .....Maybe yourself really, and I am suggesting that, should put together members interested in building another official groups site proposal, and start doing it  .... 

Group discord.
it is not necessary. and if it was on me, id represent a group at Leg meeting with Howard and Rodney included also. ..provided roles are defined hard good, so no squabbles erupt right at the meeting ?! ... heavens 911 forbid ...

i noticed the group doesn't have standard decision making process defined too well either. .. well, never mind.

http://truth911.nexo.com - list of pages, open at once




On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Howard Cohen wrote:
Petr,
 
I don't know about this legal stuff, but I am sure the attorneys for these people are exploring all options. I am sure they are up-to-date on the nano-thermite - probably have spoken with Jones or someone.
 
One of the main things to remember - is to pick your battles. This isn't one you should spend your valuable time on. Let it go.
 
Howard


David, Sacramento 9/11 flyer

Hello David,
the flyer you showed us, you give out to people. Great tool.

I think the 9/11 links are somewhat cluttered, date and mixed with other alernative links.
So they are less effective.

I think the 9/11 sites right now to have there is 
Latest - http://ae911truth.org, http://wacla.org, http://stj911.org ,  .. + couple similar /?

I think that's it, all links pretty much lead from here .. 
Separated bellow, you can have all other links .............. Do you agree? What do you think?

Do you want to maybe blog about this, little, once you sign up to sites with this Webtools project we are doing right now ?....

Petr
cc to gg, nexo, blogger, ff, wp

Meeting, Newspapers project, publish progress, steps, ACITIVTIES, 911DavisWeb WebTools Demonstration project

Good evening,
that is a tall order! :] ... but I do accept that hamburger  beer combo offer, if you insist! :]

For now, we are gearing up, getting to test, evaluate different advanced webtools.

You know the plan, lets do it now. .. Please, publish your progress, steps, actions you have taken, registrations you have completed .... at http://DavisWeb911.nexo.com

Please participate, communicate, share, comment, inform others, answer others questions ... so that we can progress quickly ....

Hope to get to the best, Skype, Facebook, multiple video collaboration, sessions web broadcasting, whiteboards.

Lets move steadily, quickly.

Please everybody, inform on your progress. Haven't heard too much yet. .. or opt out of the project and this email chain

So, Mr. Howard, how is your registrations going? 
To "patiently wait" is exactly what you do not want to do right now.


Yes, lets meet, definitely, Im ready to demonstrate and engage your questions. Restaurant, anytime, is good. ... Mornings, I am in the Shields UC library.


Aggregation site /project you mentioned, that is at http://Truth911.nexo.com
See how you like it, it's not a perfect solution either, leave us note on email and on our project networks, once you register and join them.

Earnings .. very difficult to make money, to make it on the web. .. a strong competition, field is full, Google happened, Facebook, Twitter also ..there is a lot of companies trying .. everything is for free too .... so websites, after initial venture funding, end up struggling, before they ever make it 

Hope to meet with you soon,
let us know, publish, comment your actions in this project
Petr
ps
My project newspaper racks ... i do not have answer from initiators ..Mr Hank, yourself, Rodney?
We have a permission from UC to place newspapers at cafeteria racks ... I can even take couple, 5-10 from public library and keep placing them on the racks.
Let me know. Thanks.

cc to networks

People that wish to opt out of Webtools Project. please let me know.
Haven't heard progress from Rodney, Mark, but he is well ahead  and on many networks - http://Davis911Truth.net is a comprehensive group info site he is working on right now ... how about Mr Ken, David, Jack, Jim, Kathy, Alex, Diane, others ..

please let me know, email and networks,

Petr:]

lets engage. this is time of testing, demonstrating.
we will schedule web conferencing, we will do ad hoc web video meetings ..but we must first get there .. graduate ... and you know you need "passing" grades ..you don't want that F hanging outthere  somewhere :]





On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Howard Cohen  wrote:
Petr,
 
As I said the other night I am looking forward to being able to go to one web page and have everything there with one password log-in - and experience everything you say the Internet can bring into my life.
 
When you have that together I want to be one of the first to use it.
 
Until then I will wait patiently for your completion of your prototype (beta-site) and continue to use my phone and email.
 
I am thanking you in advance for your effort to make your vision a reality.
 
Perhaps when it is up and running we can franchise it to other groups and make some money off of your technological capabilities. Not only 9/11 groups but others that could benefit from your product. Davis would be the prototype/beta site. I may not know a lot about the technology – but I can certainly figure out a way to market and profit from it.
 
Since neither of us are Rockefellers (in wealth or sick ideas) let's have a financial incentive to motivate and accelerate development. If you wish to meet personally on this so you can explain your vision of your "group social networking service" I am available anytime. Let me invite you for lunch or dinner at the Burgers and Brew one day soon at your convenience.
 
Howard
– write or call 24/7
 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, Petr Buben Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:19 PM

Petr wrote:
Good afternoon,
lets get this project started.


1. Before we meet, it would be good for you to have http://Gmail.com account/s registered, ready, if possible. We will test IM chat, multichat, and video/call if we have mics/cameras. 

Gmail Email, you do not need to use it, or can redirect it to your old account, or redirect your old account to Gmail. Gmail is a very good and very important tool. Also not simple.

Gmail/Goolge account allows you to use Google docs, Google groups, and a whole lot of other great, free services.

Send an email from your new account. Say hi.

Once online and ready to chat, DO NOT feel obliged to answer or participate, say shortly you don't have time, if you don't ..



2. Sign up also to http://Friendfeed.com. Small site, but liked by tech people. First in the world with real time updates.
Great aggregation and conversation tool. You can also blog rudimentarily. It is a microblog.
We will test, will join our groups, test conversing, managing groups and settings.

Please keep your sign up names obvious, easy, memorable, the same all over if possible, name.last name if you dont need to cover, <name>911 if you better.

Sign up with your /new/ Gmail accounts. You wont regret it.

Keep passwords unified, simple, yet hard to guess. Do not worry too much, though.

Join our project http://FriendFeed.com/911DavisWeb group. Say hi from there if you make it over there. :]



3. Sign up to http://Nexo.com
It is very handy small social sites. lots of features. will demonstrate.



4. Sign up to Twitter.
Just because its the biggest one, Richard Gage is on it too. http://Twitter.com/AE911Truth

Say hello world from your new account , or some statement to our topic

Twitter is a world wide phenomenon, a microblog. .. and no, Jack, we wont blog what hamburger we just had :] ... it be about 9/11 .. :]


Couple shorthands - ttyl - talk to you later .. brb ..be right back  :] smile, good humor .. imo .. in my opinion

======
Do not worry if you wont make it to sign up.
During demosntartions, do interrupt me often, ask pertinent questions. It is not a monologue.



Think about what blogs you will have, names.
5. if ready, let's start blogs sign up
a. Google blog -you need to have Google Gmail account, at http://Blogger.com
b. http://Wordpres.com blog .... we will go over it ..


With each step finished, please go to our Nexo project site, at http://DavisWeb911.nexo.com, and check off step done. il set it up ...

Thats all for now....

Happy registering!
Petr

cc emailing to 

check it out :] .. see if this post made it there ... do visit them, leave comments ..... check off steps accomplished ...... il be grading activity, iniciative :]

lets show Jack what web is about .. ! :] .. lets see if he'l agree to like it :]

Let me know if anything.

I plan on next Thursday, at 8:30 am .. Shields library .... sooner is also possible, also if you prefr your laptops, we can gt together, for example, at Crepeville, downtown ..
See you .. :]


Friday, July 17, 2009

Google groups, emailing posts to networks

Hi Chris,
Im fine with Google groups.
I think we will focus on all of them ..... at least at the start, to cover them initially. ... then, we will see ..

questions for you
1. can i post to gg via email?
2. you need to have Google account, correct?
3. there is no way to subscribe only to discussion you posted to ... i mean, the whole activity email arrives ..and that i had a problem with ......

thanks
Petr
ps
but go ahead, concentrate on Google groups, get people to know it and see how they like it
also please join webtools project ff and nexo groups, and publish your progress ....
i know you are already on ff and google and nexo and fb, so you are ahead of everybody else ...

-- my point to you also is, how satisfied are you with having different name on each network? ... your comment on that? your experience, recommendation?
..... you know how to email your answer here to ff and nexo, do you? .... either you email from ff registered email to groupname@friendfeed.com, or, use secret email i set up for us, 911DavisWeb.ff@friendfeed.com

everybody, once you are where Chris is, and Chris, will you go those groups, and say hi, and better, leave some comments ...

everybody, get in habit of doing this for this project - visit - comment- participate ..... it may be difference between "fail" and "pass", when I grade the progress and when the final vote is due!
 :]

cc: networks





On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Christopher
Jack,

I have a feeling you would find Google Groups to be useful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups

It functions just like e-mail, but with several bonuses.  It is like a message board, where people can start topics and others can respond to that specific topic. The comments are listed sequentially.

Best of all, you can get these comments forwarded directly to your inbox, so you never have to actually visit the site. But, if you wanted to follow a discussion, you could visit the site and click on the topic.

It is very useful and beneficial. The SF Truth Action group uses it with great results.

It also saves the hassle of having to type everyone's e-mail address.

You all should visit our Google Group, just for a few seconds, to see what it looks like.

http://groups.google.com/group/davis-911-truth?hl=en


I feel as if we should focus on getting everyone onto the Google Group, just to give it a chance. Then we can try other sites/services once people are settled and comfortable. Is this okay with you, Petr?

Please direct questions about the Google Group to me, and I will do my best to answer them. I feel as if it would greatly assist and expediate us in our various discussions. I for one constantly wish we were all using a Google Group instead of e-mail.

Rock and/or roll,

Chris

"It's funny. All you have to do is say something nobody understands and they'll do practically anything you want them to." -The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger



Thursday, July 16, 2009

911DavisWeb WebTools Demonstration project

Good afternoon,
lets get this project started.


1. Before we meet, it would be good for you to have http://gmail.com/ account/s registered, ready, if possible. We will test IM chat, multichat, and video/call if we have mics/cameras.

Gmail Email, you do not need to use it, or can redirect it to your old account, or redirect your old account to Gmail. Gmail is a very good and very important tool. Also not simple.

Gmail/Goolge account allows you to use Google docs, Google groups, and a whole lot of other great, free services.

Send an email from your new account. Say hi.

Once online and ready to chat, DO NOT feel obliged to answer or participate, say shortly you don't have time, if you don't ..



2. Sign up also to http://friendfeed.com/. Small site, but liked by tech people. First in the world with real time updates.
Great aggregation and conversation tool. You can also blog rudimentarily. It is a microblog.
We will test, will join our groups, test conversing, managing groups and settings.

Please keep your sign up names obvious, easy, memorable, the same all over if possible, name.last name if you dont need to cover, <name>911 if you better.

Sign up with your /new/ Gmail accounts. You wont regret it.

Keep passwords unified, simple, yet hard to guess. Do not worry too much, though.

Join our project http://FriendFeed.com/911DavisWeb group. Say hi from there if you make it over there. :]



3. Sign up to http://nexo.com/
It is very handy small social sites. lots of features. will demonstrate.



4. Sign up to Twitter.
Just because its the biggest one, Richard Gage is on it too. http://Twitter.com/AE911Truth

Say hello world from your new account , or some statement to our topic

Twitter is a world wide phenomenon, a microblog. .. and no, Jack, we wont blog what hamburger we just had :] ... it be about 9/11 .. :]


Couple shorthands - ttyl - talk to you later .. brb ..be right back :] smile, good humor .. imo .. in my opinion

======
Do not worry if you wont make it to sign up.
During demosntartions, do interrupt me often, ask pertinent questions. It is not a monologue.



Think about what blogs you will have, names.
5. if ready, let's start blogs sign up
a. Google blog -you need to have Google Gmail account, at http://blogger.com/
b. http://wordpres.com/ blog .... we will go over it ..


With each step finished, please go to our Nexo project site, at http://davisweb911.nexo.com/, and check off step done. il set it up ...

Thats all for now....

Happy registering!
Petr

cc emailing to

check it out :] .. see if this post made it there ... do visit them, leave comments ..... check off steps accomplished ...... il be grading activity, iniciative :]

lets show Jack what web is about .. ! :] .. lets see if he'l agree to like it :]

Let me know if anything.

I plan on next Thursday, at 8:30 am .. Shields library .... sooner is also possible, also if you prefer your laptops, we can gt together, for example, at Crepeville, downtown ..
See you .. :]